Peter ( talk) 18:16, 12 September 2006 (UTC) Which is what it was in the beginning, yeah. Andrew Leal ( talk) 17:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC) Or we could just change it to Character Debuts. Danny ( talk) 17:37, 12 September 2006 (UTC) So, you prefer the "Human Character Debuts" heading to putting it under People? While I still say the former set-up begs the question of why Alice Braithwaite Goodyshoes and the like don't get their own sections, I can see it working, I guess. If we don't know yet, then we should leave it out, and then add it in when we have the correct info. But yeah when it can be misleading if there is a defined year but its actually an estimation, yaknow? (I guess in Harriet's case the picture caption speaks for her appearance rather than just for the picture then? ) - Cantus Rock 17:04, 12 September 2006 (UTC) I think human cast members should be included, but only when we know for sure when they were introduced. I like the timeline as a resource, and the more info the better I say. Well then I think the word "roughly" should be inserted when this is the case, because listing a specific year makes one assume that whatever event happened specifically in that year. Andrew Leal ( talk) 16:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC) That's sometimes a problem with the cast members who were on the show frequently but as day players or recurring, not daily presences, and not listed in the credits, so that's not a guideline. I think that's just an estimate, unless someone like Guillermo has tapes to demonstrate when her first appearance was. The 1976 date seems to be based on her appearance in a 1976 study kit. Andrew Leal ( talk) 16:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)Īnother objection, in this specific case, is uncertainty on years. Placing it under people, in the same context as when puppeteers are born or writers join the company, just feels more appropriate. Mixing character debuts or creating a "Human Character Debut" (and if that, why not an Animated Character Debut for when Traction Jackson was added, and so on) detracts from that, to my mind. " Clarice Taylor begins making occasional Sesame Street appearances as David's grandmother Harriet." Mainly because, as spread out as Muppet Wiki has become, the central focus, when you get down to it, is still the actual puppet stuff and the people behind it. If we are gfoing to start tracking shifts in Sesame Street cast members, I'd feel more comfortable doing that under people, i.e. The point of character debuts is really to note when long-standing Muppet characters were first introduced to help trace their development. B, that only would apply to Sesame Street. A, she'd be the only character mentioned so far. Scott ( talk) 18:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC) HarrietĬan't Harriet be included under a Human Character Debuts heading or something? - Cantus Rock 16:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC) Dean made the contribution, so I'll leave a message for him if he cares to provide a source. Danny ( talk) 17:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC) I agree with your point, and I'm also removing the date from this article. I changed the calendar so that it marks September as the premiere month, rather than a specific date. Scott ( talk) 16:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC) I don't think it's useful to come up with an official "premiere" date there really isn't one. ![]() So, while the press isn't all into the anniversary the way they were at 25, a few news articles are popping up here and there citing a different start date than what we have. This article, dated Sept 12, 2006, also states that The Muppet Show started "this week" 30 years ago. Whatever it is, we're advertising a specific date on our front page. This article seems to think it started on Sept 13. What's the source on our date for the premiere of The Muppet Show? As discussed on the wiki in several places, the show aired differently in different markets.
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